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Psychiatrists get their day in court

June 14, 2012  

The two court-appointed psychiatrists who’ve been harshly criticized for declaring terror defendant Anders Behring Breivik insane broke their silence on Thursday, with a bang. Torgeir Husby began his testimony with harsh criticism of their critics, and made it clear they weren’t backing down on their insanity diagnosis.

Court-appointed psychiatrists Torgeir Husby (left) and Synne Sørheim began their testimony by bashing their critics and defending their conclusion that terror defendant Anders Behring Breivik is insane. Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) carried most of the court proceedings live on Thursday. PHOTO: NRK screen grab/Views and News

In doing so, both Husby and his partner, Synne Sørheim, won’t make it easy for the court to rule on whether Breivik is sane or insane. Even though as many as seven other psychiatrists testified earlier this week that they believe he is sane, Husby’s and Sørheim’s defense of their court-ordered report will instill doubt into the case. Doubt means the court may feel compelled to declare Breivik insane after all, and that he can’t be sentenced to jail for his attacks that killed 77 persons.

Between Husby’s strongly worded opening Thursday morning, and Sørheim’s body language, with arms firmly folded over her chest and a grim expression as her partner talked, they did their best to defend their professional integrity and their insanity conclusion on Breivik. It’s been repeatedly called into question in the media, by both medical and legal experts, and they finally responded, forcefully.

Referring to the astonishment expressed by colleagues over their insanity diagnosis, Husby testified that “I’m quite sure that … when the cameras stop flashing, there will be just as much astonishment over the often wild, unprofessional behaviour” that “lacked principle,” and that it will “cast shadows” over the psychiatric profession.

Lawyers for the prosecution and victims' families listening to the testimony of the court-appointed psychiatrists on Thursday. Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh (front left) and Svein Holden must decide whether they think Breivik is sane or insane, so Thursday's testimony was important. PHOTO: NRK screen grab/Views and News

He said that neither he nor Sørheim could have possibly imagined what lay ahead of them when they took on their court-appointed role in August, just after the July 22 attacks. He denied they’ve tried to “mystify” their work and he seemed most angry over colleagues who have criticized their report without having met Breivik themselves. He claimed it’s a basic principle in psychiatry to talk face to face with patients, yet many of his critics seemed able to diagnose Breivik from afar.

Husby also complained that he and Sørheim had been barraged by journalists demanding answers to questions about their report. It was difficult for them, he said, to see their report being “dissected” from all angles.

Both he and Sørheim presented their professional credentials, with Husby saying he’d been practicing psychiatry for around 30 years and Sørheim since 2000. They’ve been court-appointed psychiatrists in more than 200 criminal cases including around 50 murder cases, he said, adding that both belong to “the mainstream” with no “clinical hang-ups.”

Terror defendant Anders Behring Breivik wants to be taken seriously and rejects claims he's insane. He has called the two psychiatrists testifying on Thursday "Asbjørnsen and Moe," who wrote and illustrated Norwegian fairy tales. PHOTO: NRK

They’ve been criticized for having examined Breivik together instead of independently, but they claimed their methods were “normal.” Conversations with Breivik were conducted together because of prison guards’ fears Breivik would try to take Sørheim hostage if left alone with her. Sørheim admitted to having worked with Husby more than with any other psychiatrists, but said she’d been part of 26 forensic teams during the past six years.

Husby also explained their report’s omission of Breivik’s right-wing extremism by saying they are psychiatrists, “not historians, terror experts, religious researchers, Internet players or journalists.” He said they don’t, for example, call in expertise from an exorcist every time someone kills a friend because they saw the devil in him or her.

Mostly, they said, they focused on how they viewed Breivik as “almost pathetically egocentric.” They’re aware others share Breivik’s right-wing views, but that he crosses the line towards insanity through his conceit and the roles he gives himself, for example as a saviour by attacking those who allow multi-culturalism.

Husby spoke so quickly while testifying that the lead judge in the case, Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen, broke in and asked him to slow down. The pair eventually launched into specific areas of their report, and read often from it.

“We have of course had doubts (about Breivik’s mental state) along the way, but the conclusion was presented without doubt,” Husby testified.

Thursday’s court proceedings were delayed by nearly 20 minutes while attorneys and the judge huddled in meetings. Arntzen eventually emerged to say they’d been discussing a request by Breivik’s mother to close the court session to the public, because of sensitive and personal information that was likely to come up about her and her family. The judge denied the request but ordered a three-minute video delay on broadcasting to prevent such information from being aired.

Views and News from Norway/Nina Berglund

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  • Herbie2also

    “Husby also explained their report’s omission of Breivik’s right-wing extremism by saying they are psychiatrists, “not historians, terror experts . . . , religious researchers . . . .” ***
    “Mostly, they said, they focused on how they viewed Breivik as “almost pathetically egocentric.” They’re aware others share Breivik’s right-wing views, but that he crosses the line towards insanity through his conceit and the roles he gives himself, for example as a saviour by attacking those who allow multi-culturalism.”

    This is not a medical diagnosis it is a political statement First, they claim that the individual’s values environment is irrelevant Then they focus on his being “pathetically egocentric” whatever that means. I guess according to them he is crazy because they say he is crazy—end of story. Apparently there is no need to distinguish his actions from that of a Muslim terrorist since he would be “pathetically egocentric” as well. These two seem more like second rate witch doctors than medical professionals. They are an embarrassment

    • http://www.facebook.com/christine.u.furre Christine Urquhart Furre

      Your comment is an embarrassment. They are brilliant psychiatrists who have hit the nail on the head. This man has had and has an undiagnosed and untreated paranoid schizophrenia. He still wants to kill more people-even his defence lawyer is on his list! Their testimony in court was brilliant. I have never felt more comfortable about this terrible event than now after they have clarified ABB`s barbaric actions. This is a man who has lived with his mother and his computer for years isolated from the real world.

      • Herbie2also

        I have represented and cross-examined a number of psychiatrists. No competent professional would ignore evidence in reaching a diagnose on the ground that they know nothing about the area. Who he wants to kill is a matter of indifference. to the issue. Under your absurd analysis, Osama Bin Laden would be an “undiagnosed and untreated paranoid schizophrenia..” Just reading his collected writings would establish he is not. So killing people and wishing to kill people is a marker for nothing unless the circumstances offered in support can be analyzed. Whether the man is evil is anther issue. He lived with his mother and computer; so what? Many people would find that to be a sane act in an insane world like Norway. Indeed most other psychiatrists seem to have offered a different opinion other than these two and, of course you — who has never examined him. However your failure to do so does not seem to stop you from offering an assured diagnosis. With due apologies to DeCartes, your position of “I feel, therefore I must be right” does not cut it. Indeed your post reeks of arrogant stupidity much like their diagnosis.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1054675818 Roald Atle Furre

          As you will see on this wall Christine is not an Anonymus like you. And the conclusions of the judge is very close to the one Christine suggested. However – I suppose few persons with the professional experience of Christine – she is not like you – without a real name.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1054675818 Roald Atle Furre

          PS osama Bin Laden was an administrator -not a doer like Breivik ! There is a significant difference.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Butler/100003881278331 Timothy Butler

    Breivik is a unusual case, a very complex personality. It is not easy to understand anything in this case. Breivik is disturbed and frightening in so many respects. It is easy to see how he can be viewed as insane because his actions look like that of a dangerous lone lunatic. His “ideology” and preparation for his massacre is so thought out. It is clear he fully intended to kill, he didn’t just pick up a gun and go off on a rampage. Frightening. The interesting and extremely disturbing revelations come from his mother when she describes him as a four year old boy. How do you diagnose evil in people? It cannot be explained or excused by mental illness or disorders because not all mentally ill people are capable of killing and not being remorseful about the diabolical horror they have caused. Perhaps, he is a combination of mad and bad.

  • Herbie2also

    I wonder how these two shrinks would diagnose Nidal Malik Hasan, the physchiartrst and United States Army officer who shot and killed 12 people at an army base while yelling God is Great. After all they refused to take any position on terrorists. It is incredible that they should ever be retained as experts again. They are a disgrace to the profession